Comments on: Inside/Outside http://blog.newtonicaonline.com/inside-outside/ Enjoy! Sun, 11 Dec 2011 16:32:55 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Chetan http://blog.newtonicaonline.com/inside-outside/comment-page-1/#comment-8367 Chetan Wed, 04 May 2011 10:00:16 +0000 http://blog.newtonicaonline.com/?p=105#comment-8367 It matters to viewer (and it is viewer's prerogative) if OVP is taken as pure aesthetics (in non-system way) or systematic aesthetics or some combination of both. If viewer chooses 'wrong' details to focus on, then viewer will not have 'proper' knowledge about entity (and his/her chip will be dodo). It is purely up to context and viewer's understanding of same that decides which details of which view (either IVP/OVP) or some combination are focused on. Viewer always has limited resources to do so and may fail to recognize 'proper' view. This is how one viewer gets more 'proper' knowledge than other viewer. If a poet tries to look at OVP of a chip, then his OVP will be very different from OVP of systems engineer. None of the OVP is right or wrong until context is agreed upon by both viewers. It matters to viewer (and it is viewer’s prerogative) if OVP is taken as pure aesthetics (in non-system way) or systematic aesthetics or some combination of both. If viewer chooses ‘wrong’ details to focus on, then viewer will not have ‘proper’ knowledge about entity (and his/her chip will be dodo).

It is purely up to context and viewer’s understanding of same that decides which details of which view (either IVP/OVP) or some combination are focused on. Viewer always has limited resources to do so and may fail to recognize ‘proper’ view. This is how one viewer gets more ‘proper’ knowledge than other viewer.

If a poet tries to look at OVP of a chip, then his OVP will be very different from OVP of systems engineer. None of the OVP is right or wrong until context is agreed upon by both viewers.

]]> By: Chetan http://blog.newtonicaonline.com/inside-outside/comment-page-1/#comment-8366 Chetan Wed, 04 May 2011 09:53:55 +0000 http://blog.newtonicaonline.com/?p=105#comment-8366 OVP is not less detailed always. As I have stated 'OVP usually have comparatively less amount of details.' 'usually' is a key word here. Viewer needs to understand both IVP and OVP for gaining knowledge about entity in question. As I have stated 'In nutshell, you need to know enough of IVP and OVP of a thing to ‘know’ it. That will be more complete knowledge!'. Also as stated 'How much details are enough for IVP or OVP is usually context sensitive.' You can find a context where OVP is very much detailed. I would further say that 'how much details are necessary' is decided by viewer. Good viewer will focus on relevant details from infinite details available for both IVP and OVP. Context in which viewer tries to gain knowledge is very important. If a piece of metal is taken as 'piece of metal' then it creates a context and viewer can gather IVP/OVP for this context. But if viewer takes same piece of metal as 'part of space shuttle' then it is different context and that will make viewer to have different IVP/OVP for same piece of metal. OVP is not less detailed always. As I have stated ‘OVP usually have comparatively less amount of details.’ ‘usually’ is a key word here.

Viewer needs to understand both IVP and OVP for gaining knowledge about entity in question. As I have stated ‘In nutshell, you need to know enough of IVP and OVP of a thing to ‘know’ it. That will be more complete knowledge!’.

Also as stated ‘How much details are enough for IVP or OVP is usually context sensitive.’ You can find a context where OVP is very much detailed. I would further say that ‘how much details are necessary’ is decided by viewer. Good viewer will focus on relevant details from infinite details available for both IVP and OVP.

Context in which viewer tries to gain knowledge is very important. If a piece of metal is taken as ‘piece of metal’ then it creates a context and viewer can gather IVP/OVP for this context. But if viewer takes same piece of metal as ‘part of space shuttle’ then it is different context and that will make viewer to have different IVP/OVP for same piece of metal.

]]> By: Apurva http://blog.newtonicaonline.com/inside-outside/comment-page-1/#comment-8361 Apurva Wed, 04 May 2011 01:42:52 +0000 http://blog.newtonicaonline.com/?p=105#comment-8361 Also, if you think about from a chip in a system perspective, OVP has nothing to do with intuition, aesthetics, surface view etc. Then you are really confining your view point of OVP. There are infinite possibilities in which a given entity could behave and that's what makes the OVP critical for the success of technology by limiting not to intuition or judgement, but getting to know the outer world or system better. Which sometimes boils down to a tiny bit of information. You get that bit wrong and your chip is a dodo. Also, if you think about from a chip in a system perspective, OVP has nothing to do with intuition, aesthetics, surface view etc.
Then you are really confining your view point of OVP. There are infinite possibilities in which a given entity could behave and that’s what makes the OVP critical for the success of technology by limiting not to intuition or judgement, but getting to know the outer world or system better. Which sometimes boils down to a tiny bit of information. You get that bit wrong and your chip is a dodo.

]]> By: Apurva http://blog.newtonicaonline.com/inside-outside/comment-page-1/#comment-8360 Apurva Wed, 04 May 2011 01:37:07 +0000 http://blog.newtonicaonline.com/?p=105#comment-8360 I disagree on OVP being less detailed unless you are trying define the Romantic view vs Classical view belonging to the Zen and the art of the Motorcycle maintenance. Actually OVP can never be fully understood in the following way. Imagine you come across a metal part of a space-shuttle. The part by itself can be analyzed in detail since its IVP is well-contained, but its use in a complex system like a space-shuttle is unimaginable unless you have some amount of IVP of a space-shuttle. Unless you defend that OVP of that part does not include the functioning of that part in a larger system, I can tell you that working in a chip industry, it is extremely difficult to restrict your view to a few OVP possibilities and prove that in real life/system, your little chip of few 10 million gates will just work fine! My two cents. I disagree on OVP being less detailed unless you are trying define the Romantic view vs Classical view belonging to the Zen and the art of the Motorcycle maintenance. Actually OVP can never be fully understood in the following way. Imagine you come across a metal part of a space-shuttle. The part by itself can be analyzed in detail since its IVP is well-contained, but its use in a complex system like a space-shuttle is unimaginable unless you have some amount of IVP of a space-shuttle. Unless you defend that OVP of that part does not include the functioning of that part in a larger system, I can tell you that working in a chip industry, it is extremely difficult to restrict your view to a few OVP possibilities and prove that in real life/system, your little chip of few 10 million gates will just work fine!
My two cents.

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